Curse

XxSwOrDxX · May 16, 2005, 01:04 PM // 13:04

yea i got scammed for a sigil also..traded a bunch of mats, 3k gold, dye and a rare (but sucky) dealy cesta...he had put the sigil in the window, then i guess quickly switched it to the rune of minor vigor (use to look the same) then we accepted :/ i made it all back within 2 hours..but atleast they fixed the sigil picture heh

Dedric · May 17, 2005, 01:15 AM // 01:15

The dye scam has been fixed in the new update now that it looks diffrent (sorry if this was already said jsut was reading a bit and thought i would add)

Halfcut · May 17, 2005, 06:06 AM // 06:06

I recently went out to buy a superior absorbtion rune.

So I traded 11,000 4 steel and he didnt think it was enough so he canceld the trade. He brought it back up
put in the "MINOR" absorbtion rune, they looked the same so I figured "Dante Fuego" could be trusted so I gave him 11,000 gold, 4 steel, 1 Major rune of absorbtion and 1 minor vigor rune. What is going on with these people this used to be a good game.

Rellok · May 17, 2005, 01:55 PM // 13:55

I continually see people selling armor. I confront them and if there is no resolution I just ignore them.

Mountain Man · May 17, 2005, 02:04 PM // 14:04

Simple solution. Double check the item before clicking "Accept".

Incognito · May 17, 2005, 02:32 PM // 14:32

Yeah, I always double check the items and money in the trade window to make sure they're correct, even if I'm familiar with the icon I check anyway.

Manderlock · May 17, 2005, 02:53 PM // 14:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountain Man

Simple solution. Double check the item before clicking "Accept".

Aye, but many new online players dont. Thats how they learn.

Halfcut · May 17, 2005, 06:37 PM // 18:37

Ya but it should have to come to everyone in teh game having to recheck the items everytime they trade. If a banning act was issued then people would think twice before scamming. Its not right of course but I was expecting to play a game where people would accually play right but it seems people cant quit being iditios for once and play fair. Like 40-60k for sigil is a scam. Hmm but do any of you guys have a superior rune of absorbtion.

Mountain Man · May 17, 2005, 06:51 PM // 18:51

Alright, here's a solution that doesn't depend on the player:

Have the item description automatically displayed in the trade window and make the gold amount box larger and more conspicuous. The trade window would obviously have to be redesigned to accomodate these changes, but it seems it would reduce (and perhaps eliminate) an individual's ability to pull off some of these scams.

Master Elyas · May 17, 2005, 07:30 PM // 19:30

heh... i was in pre-searing ascalon with my new warrior, and some dude was selling gold dye for like... 1200 gold... i told him not to scam ppl, and hes like "I used 3 dyes to get this color! I have to make the money back somehow!"

roflmao...

Mountain Man · May 17, 2005, 07:45 PM // 19:45

I think it should be understood that selling an item to a willing party for more than the going rate is not technically a scam. In such a transcation, the seller and customer are complying with previously agreed to terms. A scam is only when a player uses some form of underhandedness to cheat another player, such as surreptitiously swapping out an item for one of lesser value, or entering a lesser but similiar gold amount in the trade window (such as 1300 instead of 2300) in hopes that the other player won't catch it.

Now you might object to someone taking advantage of another's ignorance by selling an item for more than it is potentially worth, but that is not technically a scam.

Shadowmagi · May 18, 2005, 04:20 AM // 04:20

I'd like to confirm that scam, actually being the less than good person that i am, i take advantage of the ppl scamming, by saying no no no til they drop it down to 250 or so then selling it for 500

good way to make money off of scammers, even though i can be called one myself. not my fault for taking what ideas pop into my head.

Flame · May 18, 2005, 10:32 AM // 10:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountain Man

Alright, here's a solution that doesn't depend on the player:

Have the item description automatically displayed in the trade window and make the gold amount box larger and more conspicuous. The trade window would obviously have to be redesigned to accomodate these changes, but it seems it would reduce (and perhaps eliminate) an individual's ability to pull off some of these scams.

This game is already built to avoid scams. Just having to trade people discourages many would-be scammers. If anyone has ever played ROSE Online, it's similar to Ragnarok in many ways. Players set up shops, and soon an item worth 44z (like gold) was being sold for 441z, in the hopes that people would not notice the one. And many people didn't. By being forced to actually trade with another player, it gives you the opportunity to check the item or gold amount, and prevents "accidental" inflation.

ChristopherKee · May 18, 2005, 02:13 PM // 14:13

=---WATCH FOR THIS---=

Player places item in window, you inspect item. He closes item says "woops" resubmits item but this time it's a "customized" for another player item with the same item name.

As you know, you can't use it since it's customized. Just thought I would post this here. Since sometimes people hit accept before looking again.

Mountain Man · May 18, 2005, 04:59 PM // 16:59

Yes, the "Customized for..." text should be in bright yellow letters.

sybban · May 18, 2005, 09:03 PM // 21:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mountain Man

Simple solution. Double check the item before clicking "Accept".

.....

BRILLIANT!!!

BE|Dac · May 20, 2005, 07:08 PM // 19:08

If you get scammed, Please call me,

I have some crap to sell you.

Also wtf is this stickied.

Darwin in action, alert.

Ardus Shadowmane · May 21, 2005, 12:31 AM // 00:31

Quick note on the person who mentioned the "you drop, I drop" scam someone perpetrated. That particular instance may have been a scam, but I found myself having an issue trading with someone in my guild. He didn't have an I.D. kit, I offered to i.d. it for him. He traded it to me, I I.D.'d it. When I went to trade it back to him, we'd both hit accept, but the trade would cancel. After about five tries at this, I we finally got fed up and I just dumped it on the ground for him to pick up.
Again, you may have been scammed by this guy, or it could be that he really was having issues trading the stuff to you.

Cindare Sunstriker · May 21, 2005, 05:29 AM // 05:29

Wow. Read the whole thread and I swear, all I can think of to say is, 'I can't believe people still fall for this stuff.' I'm all n00b here, but have been playing MMOs and such well, longer than I care to admit. =/ Generally speaking, I only trade with my partner and since he sits by me while we're playing, he knows better than to try anything.

I have bought and sold dyes thusfar in this game, and it never occurs to me NOT to check and recheck before accepting. Habit, really. The idealist in me thinks it is sad that honest people get taken like this... but the cynic and pragmatist in me shrugs and says, 'At some point, you just can't feel bad for those who will not make the effort to protect their investment.'

Downfall · May 21, 2005, 06:20 AM // 06:20

Hey guys,

Just though i would share a scam that someone tried on me.

This guy was selling a gold fiery dragon sword, so i go check it out and it really was a gold dragon sword . I put the money in trade window then he closed it ...says he is sorry and opens it again, everything seems fine then i slide over to the fiery dragon sword and its a plane 11-18(i think) dragon sword, that guy tried to scam me! Good thing i have this habbit of double checking items ever since diablo 2 scams.